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on: August 08, 2013, 05:18:47 PM
In case you missed it, it's a three part series published by the New York Times. Worth the read! This is part two.  I've highlighted certain interesting things.

So what are we getting for this money?  The best healthcare system in the world?  Ha! Not if measured by infant mortality rates where we equal that of 3rd world countries.


American Way of Birth, Costliest in the World

LACONIA, N.H. — Seven months pregnant, at a time when most expectant couples are stockpiling diapers and choosing car seats, Renée Martin was struggling with bigger purchases.

At a prenatal class in March, she was told about epidural anesthesia and was given the option of using a birthing tub during labor. To each offer, she had one gnawing question: “How much is that going to cost?”

Though Ms. Martin, 31, and her husband, Mark Willett, are both professionals with health insurance, her current policy does not cover maternity care. So the couple had to approach the nine months that led to the birth of their daughter in May like an extended shopping trip though the American health care bazaar, sorting through an array of maternity services that most often have no clear price and — with no insurer to haggle on their behalf — trying to negotiate discounts from hospitals and doctors.

When she became pregnant, Ms. Martin called her local hospital inquiring about the price of maternity care; the finance office at first said it did not know, and then gave her a range of $4,000 to $45,000. “It was unreal,” Ms. Martin said. “I was like, How could you not know this? You’re a hospital.”

Midway through her pregnancy, she fought for a deep discount on a $935 bill for an ultrasound, arguing that she had already paid a radiologist $256 to read the scan, which took only 20 minutes of a technician’s time using a machine that had been bought years ago. She ended up paying $655. “I feel like I’m in a used-car lot,” said Ms. Martin, a former art gallery manager who is starting graduate school in the fall.

Like Ms. Martin, plenty of other pregnant women are getting sticker shock in the United States, where charges for delivery have about tripled since 1996, according to an analysis done for The New York Times by Truven Health Analytics. Childbirth in the United States is uniquely expensive, and maternity and newborn care constitute the single biggest category of hospital payouts for most commercial insurers and state Medicaid programs. The cumulative costs of approximately four million annual births is well over $50 billion.

And though maternity care costs far less in other developed countries than it does in the United States, studies show that their citizens do not have less access to care or to high-tech care during pregnancy than Americans.

“It’s not primarily that we get a different bundle of services when we have a baby,” said Gerard Anderson, an economist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health who studies international health costs. “It’s that we pay individually for each service and pay more for the services we receive.”

Those payment incentives for providers also mean that American women with normal pregnancies tend to get more of everything, necessary or not, from blood tests to ultrasound scans, said Katy Kozhimannil, a professor at the University of Minnesota School of Public Health who studies the cost of women’s health care.

Financially, they suffer the consequences. In 2011, 62 percent of women in the United States covered by private plans that were not obtained through an employer lacked maternity coverage, like Ms. Martin. But even many women with coverage are feeling the pinch as insurers demand higher co-payments and deductibles and exclude many pregnancy-related services.

From 2004 to 2010, the prices that insurers paid for childbirth — one of the most universal medical encounters — rose 49 percent for vaginal births and 41 percent for Caesarean sections in the United States, with average out-of-pocket costs rising fourfold, according to a recent report by Truven that was commissioned by three health care groups. The average total price charged for pregnancy and newborn care was about $30,000 for a vaginal delivery and $50,000 for a C-section, with commercial insurers paying out an average of $18,329 and $27,866, the report found.

Women with insurance pay out of pocket an average of $3,400, according to a survey by Childbirth Connection, one of the groups behind the maternity costs report. Two decades ago, women typically paid nothing other than a small fee if they opted for a private hospital room or television.

Only in America

In most other developed countries, comprehensive maternity care is free or cheap for all, considered vital to ensuring the health of future generations.

Ireland, for example, guarantees free maternity care at public hospitals, though women can opt for private deliveries for a fee. The average price spent on a normal vaginal delivery tops out at about $4,000 in Switzerland, France and the Netherlands, where charges are limited through a combination of regulation and price setting; mothers pay little of that cost.

The chasm in price is true even though new mothers in France and elsewhere often remain in the hospital for nearly a week to heal and learn to breast-feed, while American women tend to be discharged a day or two after birth, since insurers do not pay costs for anything that is not considered medically necessary.

more here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/health/american-way-of-birth-costliest-in-the-world.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 05:24:55 PM
Part 1

The $2.7 Trillion Medical Bill
Colonoscopies Explain Why U.S. Leads the World in Health Expenditures

By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL | Published: June 1, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?pagewanted=all

The third, published this week in The Times, told the story of one man who found it cheaper to fly to Belgium and have his hip replaced there, than to have the surgery performed in the U.S.

I know folks that travel to Costa Rica to get all kinds of medical and dental services much cheaper than in the US.  

Fortunately I live very close to Mexico, where I can get excellent dental care done at very low prices, and get my prescriptions filled too.  Like many Americans I am underemployed and have no health insurance.  Hopefully that will all change in 2014 when Obamacare comes into effect, but it's still going to be expensive unless a way is found to rein in the costs at the provider end.

The CEO's of hospitals make millions of dollars per year, and this includes the "non-profit" hospitals also.  No wonder you are likely to pay $6 for a dose of Aspirin if you get it in the hospital.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2013, 05:27:24 PM by Lois »



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Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 05:39:02 PM
Our renewal was last month. 9% increase from last year. Our company ate the cost this time around but we are screwed next year unless something changes.



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Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 05:39:41 PM
A year ago, I had a horse almost destroy my knee in a shipping accident in Hong Kong.
They took me to a very good German Hospital (staff was Chinese, but Doctor's all German). One of the first things they asked me was if I could afford to pay for a CAT Scan of my Knee....I replied yes, they took my credit card and charged me a total of $564.00 US Dollars.
When I returned home and went to the Doctor's Office, they had go back down to the hospital and have the same thing done (never mind that I had a full set of the CAT done in Hong Kong). They charged my Insurance company (CIGNA) $8600 US Dollars!!
When I showed back up at the hospital with 'both" bills in hand and went to the billing office.
I was escorted out of the hospital by "security".
(the only thing I ask the Adminstrative Staff to do was explain the difference, instead they called the security department).
Apparently, If you make waves or ruffle feathers in a hospital over "cost" they get very defensive.

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Reply #4 on: August 09, 2013, 04:07:00 AM
When what hospitals get reimbursed for medicaid and medicare patients keeps getting reduced by the government what else should they do? Shut down?



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Reply #5 on: August 09, 2013, 07:06:36 PM
Wow. Giving birth in my country costs about 900 euros for a 'standard birth' = epidural plus a stay of 5 days. With a standard hospitalisation insurance it's virtually all reimbursed.

There is also 'polyclinical birth', this is without epidural and you go home the same day. Cost: 25 euros.

And giving birth at home with a midwife is for free!

Problematic births or premature babies with extended stay can cost up to 5000 euros of which the 'mutualités' cover ALL except the standard fee of 900 euros.

I think my two kids have cost me about 400 euros total.



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Reply #6 on: August 09, 2013, 07:13:17 PM
Our renewal was last month. 9% increase from last year. Our company ate the cost this time around but we are screwed next year unless something changes.

My cost went up 20% this last January. It is now open enrollment. I think I'll take advantage of that.



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Reply #7 on: August 20, 2013, 05:04:17 PM
The last of the series:



In Need of a New Hip, but Priced Out of the U.S.
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL | Published: August 3, 2013

WARSAW, Ind. — Michael Shopenn’s artificial hip was made by a company based in this remote town, a global center of joint manufacturing. But he had to fly to Europe to have it installed.

Mr. Shopenn, 67, an architectural photographer and avid snowboarder, had been in such pain from arthritis that he could not stand long enough to make coffee, let alone work. He had health insurance, but it would not cover a joint replacement because his degenerative disease was related to an old sports injury, thus considered a pre-existing condition.

Desperate to find an affordable solution, he reached out to a sailing buddy with friends at a medical device manufacturer, which arranged to provide his local hospital with an implant at what was described as the “list price” of $13,000, with no markup. But when the hospital’s finance office estimated that the hospital charges would run another $65,000, not including the surgeon’s fee, he knew he had to think outside the box, and outside the country.

“That was a third of my savings at the time,” Mr. Shopenn said recently from the living room of his condo in Boulder, Colo. “It wasn’t happening.”

“Very leery” of going to a developing country like India or Thailand, which both draw so-called medical tourists, he ultimately chose to have his hip replaced in 2007 at a private hospital outside Brussels for $13,660. That price included not only a hip joint, made by Warsaw-based Zimmer Holdings, but also all doctors’ fees, operating room charges, crutches, medicine, a hospital room for five days, a week in rehab and a round-trip ticket from America.

“We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said. “I’m kind of the poster child for that.”

more here:  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/health/for-medical-tourists-simple-math.html?pagewanted=all